(( مساعدة )) لم لا نستخدم very مع delicious

[jo0ory]

السلام عليكم ورحمة الله

we can not use very with excellent and delicious , why??????
لماذا لا نستطيع استخدام very مع excellent and delicious??

الله يخليكم محتاجة الاجابة ضروري

[مَلآمِح آلقَمر]

وَعَلَيِكَمْ السَلَامْ وَرَحَمَةْ الله وَ بَرَكَاتْه

لِلأسَفْ مَا أَعْرِفْ الَاجَابَةْ ... }

لَكِنْ إِنْ شَاءْ الله الَأعْضَاءْ إِلْي
بَعْدِي بَيَرَدونْ عَلِيْكِ

[so soft]

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السلام عليكم ورحمة الله

we can not use very with excellent and delicious , why??????
لماذا لا نستطيع استخدام very مع excellent and delicious??

الله يخليكم محتاجة الاجابة ضروري

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طيب حاقولك ع الاجابه بس تدعين لي .....اوكي
الاجابه هي لان معنى dellicious ,
very good يعني لاتحتاج الى تأكيد بكلمة very

[jo0ory]

والله مدري ايش اقول لك مشكووورة حبيبتي وما قصرتي ربي يوفقك

و لا يحرمك الأجر

[مَلآمِح آلقَمر]

so soft معلمومة جديدة علي تسلميين

وان شاء الله يا jo0ory عرفتي الاجابة

[eng.mahdi88]

بختلف معاكي يا so soft باجابتك ومن رايي انه السبب هو نفس السبب في عدم استخدام very مع excellent وهو انه excellent & delicious عبارة عن صفات " adjectives " و very لا يجوز استخدامها مع adjectives ولكن تستخدم مع adverbs " الحال " ولهذا من الخطا ان نقول مثلاً very excellent ولكن الصحيح القول very well لان well حال " adverb "

thnx

[jo0ory]

اخوي مهدي شاكرة لك مرورك

وإفادتك

JoOoRّy

[so soft]

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة eng.mahdi88

بختلف معاكي يا so soft باجابتك ومن رايي انه السبب هو نفس السبب في عدم استخدام very مع excellent وهو انه excellent & delicious عبارة عن صفات " adjectives " و very لا يجوز استخدامها مع adjectives ولكن تستخدم مع adverbs " الحال " ولهذا من الخطا ان نقول مثلاً very excellent ولكن الصحيح القول very well لان well حال " adverb "

thnx

اوكي معاك انا وكلامك صح .........زلكن هذا مايمنع very من استخدامها مع الصفات مثل very nice
very comfortable

[eng.mahdi88]

انا تاخرت مشان ارد رد وافي

ok so soft
firstly

I agree with you.

Very and excellent are both superlatives, so very is not required there.

Well, I guess that very is not an extreme superlative, but it is close enough to being one to sound redundant when used with excellent.

I do not think that saying "It was a very excellent meal"
would be technically wrong, but as you said, it does not sound good.


I looked "very" up for you. This may be interesting.


Usage Note: In general usage very is not used alone to modify a past participle. Thus we may say of a book, for example, that it has been very much praised, very much criticized, very much applauded, or whatever, but not that it has been very praised, very criticized, or very applauded. However, many past participle forms do double duty as adjectives, in which case modification by a bare very, or by analogous adverbs such as quite, is acceptable: there can be no objection to phrases such as a very creased handkerchief, a very celebrated singer, or a very polished performance. In some cases there is disagreement as to whether a particular participle can be used properly as an adjective: over the years objections have been raised as to the use of very by itself with delighted, interested, annoyed, pleased, disappointed, and irritated. All these words are now well established as adjectives, as indicated by the fact that they can be used attributively (a delighted audience, a pleased look, a disappointed young man) as well as by other syntactic criteria. But the status of other participles is still in flux. Some speakers accept phrases such as very appreciated, very astonished, or very heartened, while others prefer alternatives using very much. What is more, some participles allow treatment as adjectives in one sense but not another: one may speak of a very inflated reputation, for example, but not, ordinarily, of a very inflated balloon. As a result, there is no sure way to tell which participles may be modified by a bare very-syntactic tests such as the use of the participle as an attributive adjective will themselves yield different judgments for different speakers-and writers must trust their ears. When in doubt, the use of very much is generally the safer alternative.

The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition copyright © 1992 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from InfoSoft International, Inc. All rights reserved.

the second opinion :

Excellent is an adjective. Some adjectives refer to things that are 'gradable'. This means that there are grades, graduations, levels or degrees of something. You can have more or less of them.
For example, hot as in hot weather, or hot drinks could be more, or less, hot. There are degrees of hot. So hot is gradable, and we can use a suitable adverb of degree such as a bit, quite, fairly, really, extremely, very. etc. For example. "It was very hot on Sunday."

The range of adjectives used to describe temperature includes cold - cool - warm - hot. These are all gradable adjectives. However, a more complete range of temperature words would includes temperatures at the ends of the range, such as freezing and boiling. These two words are the absolutes of the range: freezing - cold - cool - warm - hot - boiling.
Such absolutes are not gradable. They are called 'non-gradable' adjectives. Water can't be hotter than boiling. It can be: warm, very warm, hot, very hot, or boiling. But it can't be very boiling! So words at the absolute ends of such descriptive ranges are non-gradable.

Another example of a range is: excellent, good, average, poor, bad, terrible.
Fine - well - ill - dead is another! The words at the ends on the range can't be graded. If we want to emphasise them we can't use adverbs of degree. You can be ill, very ill, seriously extremely ill,... or dead, but you can't be very dead! The other adjectives between the extremes are gradable adjectives and we can use appropriate adverbs of emphasis such as totally, completely, absolutely.
For example...
How are you today! Are you well?
Yes, I'm fine, absolutely fine, thank you.

Sometimes, adverbs of degree, like very, are actually used with non-gradable adjectives by native speakers, but this does not really make sense. Either the speaker has a poor understanding of the language, or is making a joke with words that don't match, or perhaps they are exercising some poetic licence!

Suggested reading: Practical English Usage by Michael Swan, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0-19-431197-X Section 153: degree(1): gradeable and non-gradeable. www.oup.com/elt



for delicious :

firstly

in fact it is perfectly right, but I don't think you'd usually use "very". It is enough of a compliment to say delicious.
Delicious is such a strong word it is kind of like saying "very perfect".

secondly :

Some adjectives are called "ungradable". They are not normally used with "very" or "a bit", for instance. As Pet said, these adjectives already have an idea of "perfection" about them. Delicious is one (others: ideal, terrified, huge).

An adverb used in front of these adjectives is "absolutely".

تعرفي خلاصة الموضوع يا سو سوفت احنا الاتنين صح وجمعي الاجابتين بتعطي اجابة كاملة
انا جاوبت من ناحية قواعدية انه بعض الصفات ما فيها تدرج اي انها تعطى معنى الاتمام لذلك لا نستخدم معها
وانت حاوبت من ناحية بديهية انه معنى الكلمة يسقط كلمة
very >>>> example : delicious means very perfect
يعني ما بنفع نكتب كمان مرة
very
يعني اتنيناتنا صح

اوكي ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

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